Jehovah's Witnesses and War
An earlier post mentioned Jehovah's Witnesses incidentally and I was unfair. I merely mentioned them to describe how my system of taking ideas to the extreme worked. I thought of the Jehovah's Witnesses example years ago, and posted it again without giving it another thought.
Of the responses I've received, one said that they would be able to subdue a violent man with peaceful means, or at least without weapons of murder.
The other said that my point was flawed because if everyone was a Jehovah's Witness there wouldn't be violence at all.
So let's put it this way. Let's say an entire nation converts to their church, and that other nations turn against them in war. Or, if perhaps the nations within which they live decided to wipe them out on a mass scale, what would happen?
The Savior taught us to turn the other cheek when attacked. So-called Christian nations have reverently set that aside as unrealistic. But what really happens if a people follows this advise on a large scale? What if an army marches against a peaceful crowd, and the crowd lets the attackers sacrifice them without fighting back?
This happened on one occasion that I can think of. It is found in the Book of Mormon:
Alma 24: 21-25
"Now when the people saw that they [their enemies] were coming against them they went out to meet them, and aprostrated themselves before them to the earth, and began to call on the name of the Lord; and thus they were in this attitude when the Lamanites [their enemies] began to fall upon them, and began to slay them with the sword.
And thus without meeting any resistance, they did slay a athousand and five of them; and we know that they are blessed, for they have gone to dwell with their God.
And it came to pass that they threw down their weapons of war, and they would not take them again, for they were stung for the murders which they had committed; and they came down even as their brethren, relying upon the mercies of those whose arms were lifted to slay them."
And this has made me change my mind on my former conclusion. I think a world where violence was met by non-violence could work. It worked for Ghandi. It worked for Martin Luther King Jr. And the Savior commanded it.
It is no easy thing to rely "upon the mercies" of those who want to kill you.
The U.S. spends over $400,000,000,000 annually on weapons. That's two times more than Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea combined.
We don't have massive armies because we are the courageous defenders of liberty. We do it because we are cowards, afraid that the Lord won't really protect us. We lack the faith necessary to truly call ourselves a Christian nation.
Unless, perhaps, you are a Jehovah's Witness.
Of the responses I've received, one said that they would be able to subdue a violent man with peaceful means, or at least without weapons of murder.
The other said that my point was flawed because if everyone was a Jehovah's Witness there wouldn't be violence at all.
The Savior taught us to turn the other cheek when attacked. So-called Christian nations have reverently set that aside as unrealistic. But what really happens if a people follows this advise on a large scale? What if an army marches against a peaceful crowd, and the crowd lets the attackers sacrifice them without fighting back?
This happened on one occasion that I can think of. It is found in the Book of Mormon:
Alma 24: 21-25
"Now when the people saw that they [their enemies] were coming against them they went out to meet them, and aprostrated themselves before them to the earth, and began to call on the name of the Lord; and thus they were in this attitude when the Lamanites [their enemies] began to fall upon them, and began to slay them with the sword.
And thus without meeting any resistance, they did slay a athousand and five of them; and we know that they are blessed, for they have gone to dwell with their God.
And it came to pass that they threw down their weapons of war, and they would not take them again, for they were stung for the murders which they had committed; and they came down even as their brethren, relying upon the mercies of those whose arms were lifted to slay them."

It is no easy thing to rely "upon the mercies" of those who want to kill you.
The U.S. spends over $400,000,000,000 annually on weapons. That's two times more than Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea combined.
We don't have massive armies because we are the courageous defenders of liberty. We do it because we are cowards, afraid that the Lord won't really protect us. We lack the faith necessary to truly call ourselves a Christian nation.
Unless, perhaps, you are a Jehovah's Witness.
So why are there so many more stories of the Lord blessing those fighting for liberty and defending their freedom?
ReplyDeleteA non y mouse,
ReplyDeleteYou're right, war is the highest law of the celestial kingdom. Let's conquer the Holy Land!
Sorry, it's easier for me to be sarcastic to you because I don't know your name and you're always contradictory. But the opposition is good for me. Helps me think.
Reread the Book of Mormon and note when the Lord blessed the Nephites in their war efforts.
You will find that they were always blessed when the Lamanites had invaded their own country.
When they decided to invade the Lamanites' country to get rid of their constant threat, the Lord withdrew His protection and they were wiped out.
We will wipe ourselves out if we do not learn that lesson from the Nephites.
Alma 42-44
ReplyDeleteI am not an LDS scholar or geographer, but it seems like they pursued the Lamanites even after they begun retreating here.
I think you may be misinterpreting my position. I do not think the way the war has been waged as a good thing. I think the danger is in extremes. We need to find a middle road.
The Lamanites were on Nephite territory, and had attacked first.
ReplyDeleteNice try.
See: Mormon 4:4
"And it was because the armies of the Nephites went up unto the Lamanites that they began to be smitten; for were it not for that, the Lamanites could have had no power over them."
Mormon 3:14-15 is also good.
I hope you don't interpret my tone as me saying you're incorrect. I really meant it when I said I am not an LDS scholar or geographer.
ReplyDeleteSo I understand that you are against the war in Iraq due to the premise under which it was started etc.. Are you (and Obama for curiousity sake) against the war in Afghanistan and Pakistan as well? Al Qaeda did strike first and on our land.
Al Qaeda did strike first, and should be dealt with.
ReplyDeleteFrom Obama's website:
"Find, Disrupt, and Destroy Al Qaeda: Obama will responsibly end the war in Iraq and focus on the right battlefield in Afghanistan. An Obama Administration will work with other nations to strengthen their capacity to eliminate shared enemies."
Me again:
A benevolent foreign policy is a more sure defense against foreign hostility than preemptive strike and permanent occupation.
Sorry for going hostile on my last comment. It's hard to read tone, writing lacks inflection and body language. Misunderstandings are unavoidable.
No worries as I re-read my first comment it does sound like I am questioning your intelligence(which I am not...just some of your reasoning) :)
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